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I'm from the state of California.

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Where did you get the title, Major?

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From the Army Services, it was an Army combat intelligence officer during World War II,

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and I've had approximately 16, 16 years in the military service.

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Beginning in the year 1939, and until two years ago,

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I am in Washington now as a private citizen,

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not representing any military services.

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I am free to speak as an individual,

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but my views, I'm sure, are not different from many people in the Army Services,

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and it does not come to any group or any person in America that supports the Constitution.

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I'm a VFW member of Longstanding since 1941, a past commander of my post in California.

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You hear a lot of people that tell a thing about flying stuff,

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because you don't mind if I call them flying stuff,

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but that's okay, as most of you men don't like the term,

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you'll identify flying objects, but that's too hard, we'll just say flying stuff.

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All right, Major, let's get started.

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Number one, did you ever see such a thing?

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Yes, I did. On the night of May 11, 1957, in Southern California,

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I had the experience of having a personal fighting on the desert in California,

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and I think the story is a rather long one.

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It is very interesting to me,

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and it changed my whole life as a result of the personal experience that I had on the desert.

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I had all of my work and activities and proceeded to Washington

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to help create a great understanding of flying stuff that's subject among the people of America,

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and especially here in Washington, where this knowledge is very important.

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All right, you think it's very important, would you tell me why?

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I think it is important because the question of man's conscience is involved.

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The world is baffled, nursed, by problems of various kinds, including nuclear fission,

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the various dangers involved, and resolving from our advance in nuclear science,

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the confusion in the world caused by various things in many fields.

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And it is my understanding from my study and activity in the flying saucer field

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that here lies an answer that has been so far overlooked by a great many people.

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Hello, Major Keyho says or told me that he thought that the one who thought the issue was buried in official files

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or reasons which he outlasted. Do you feel the same way?

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Well, I don't believe there's any major difference between Major Keyho's views and mine.

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We are friends, and I support him in his work every way I can.

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However, I wouldn't put the brunt on various military services of our charge with the responsibility

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of a problem of unprecedented proportion. All right, let me ask the question this way.

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Do you think that official Washington knows that there is such a thing as flying saucers?

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Definitely. Why don't they tell us the same questions but in a different way?

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Well, I believe that the pacifics are allowing people like Major Keyho and myself and many others

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who are researching, talking about, discussing this situation in the field.

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It's an indication that there is an official recognition.

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I'm really surprised that he speaks that way, Major.

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You were an officer in the intelligence department. You're obviously a very intelligent man.

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And you use the expression that allow you to speak that way.

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Do you know of any official act or any official amendment to any constitution in any state or country

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in the United States which wouldn't allow you to speak any way you please?

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I believe there are ways and means to make people shut up if you don't want to talk.

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I haven't found that. I've found them by private people.

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I've found them by private people if they don't like what you say, they try to find all types of things to do to shut you out.

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If you radio commentator, they might put a squeeze on you financially.

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But sponsors, or they might do all sorts of unmanaged things to get you off the air.

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If you have newspaper right here, they can approach the box of the newspaper to feed the fellow who has many screw holes to fire you.

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But a special them would never attempt to do such a thing.

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And I've never heard of a special Washington ever try to shut anybody up, Major.

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How could they do it? How could official Washington shut you up?

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I'll make you key or anybody who believes in this stuff.

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Well, one thing we have been confronted with in an open discourse on flying chargers

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is by getting the news out to my friends radio and television and so forth.

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The terrible weapon of ridicule has been used a great deal in this field.

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I'm afraid that I've been a little guilty of it myself.

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I tell you, I told my name's Schumann Besserm. Do you know Mr. Besserm? I know him.

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He told me that on the planes of Nevada he saw a flying shot. He was a fighter on board for the trip in it.

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He told me the captain's name was Captain Range. I invited him on the microphone.

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I said, he's sure they don't want a full radio. So I said, come on in Captain Range, but he never showed.

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So I said, I think Mr. Besserm actually saw what he said he saw.

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But I thought that if I were with him, I would not have seen it.

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Now, that may be a little bit of a issue, maybe I've been guilty of it.

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But I really sure wouldn't stop making news that he gave us an idea like you.

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Correct. All right, let's get started. What did you see when you saw one?

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Firstly, let me say, I don't believe it.

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Not that I don't believe you saw it. You saw it. You've got a wonderful imagination.

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I know that the major key oh too, although he never saw one.

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I saw people who say they saw that wonderful imagination. What did you see, Major Aho?

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Well, I'll tell you what I saw, but I also tell you that I had witnesses to my tidings.

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That's one of those fortunate things that happen sometimes.

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When a person makes a certain statement, when they saw something,

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they are sometimes very fortunate to have a witness.

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I know that many people who say they have seen these omniscient very sightings

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have not been fortunate enough to know of a witness who would appear and support them.

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My exciting was witnessed by some people in California have a payment address

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and anyone that is curious enough or wants to check on it,

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they have my permission to write to them. I will supply this address to anyone who wants to.

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Have you ever seen a picture of one?

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Yes, I have. I've seen a number of pictures.

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Actual photographs.

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What have they never been published?

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Well, I think if you brought a picture of watching the post tonight

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of an actual client's office, they put it on the front page.

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These pictures have been published.

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Photograms have appeared in some of our leading magazines,

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and I personally saw a paper from Pennsylvania

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published about two months ago, which had not only one, but about four pictures of client's office in the paper.

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Well, I saw a picture too, but it didn't look like client's office.

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They looked like shooting sunspots of stars or what have you.

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They look at all like what I think a client's office just looked like.

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What did you see, mate?

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My exciting was at night.

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It's many of the exciting that have been taken place.

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We're in the daytime when the definite metallic objects,

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usually of a stainless steel type and color appearance are looms

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that have been observed.

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Mine was in the nighttime at about 11.30 p.m.

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I was walking in the desert in California to the site of a space convention

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that was being conducted in the woods under way of giant rock California,

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the Ethel Valley.

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And I had a very unique and strange experience.

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I could talk about this to people with great understanding on this subject

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and even to them, many of the classes that were involved in this exciting and experienced

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was caused a great deal of thought and conjecture.

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And I am going to limit my discourse to the things that I believe will be of definite benefit

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and understanding to the people that have it in this evening.

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The exciting occurred at the time of about 11.30 p.m.

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I was walking in the desert.

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I saw a star up in the sky.

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Here I felt that there was probably some kind of telepathic guidance or something involved.

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Because of the fact that I looked at a certain star of all the stars in the sky,

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the minute that I caught this star, it blinked an orange light.

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When I saw the orange light, I thought, well, here's the green.

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You saw the changes of color when you look at it.

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As I continued to watch it, it changed from a star into a large white light, an egg shape.

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And it moved across the sky in a gliding motion moving toward me.

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I estimate that it was probably 15 or 20 miles away from me at the first point of observation.

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And it took perhaps 30 seconds or so for this white object to arrive at the point in front of me

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about a quarter of a mile away, about 1,500 feet in elevation above the desert.

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When the object arrived at this point, it stopped.

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It ceased all forward, which became motionless.

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And it changed into a large red sphere about the color of the tail light on an automobile.

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At this point, I estimated to be about 25 to 30 feet in diameter.

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It remained motionless in this one spot for possibly 5 minutes.

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At this point, it was observed by the witnesses that I mentioned earlier.

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And they reported the same to me the following morning.

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I had never met the people before. I didn't meet them the following morning.

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They gave me their names and addresses as I had breakfast with them.

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After remaining motionless for about 5 minutes, this red object started descending to the desert in a direction away from me.

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The minute it began motion again, it descended, it changed back to a white light, again egg shaped.

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And it slided down toward the desert and landed approximately 2 miles away from me when it came over a ridge.

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And it went out of sight.

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At this point, I was walking toward this object all the time.

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And for all the people listening tonight, anyone from any listening in the government capacity or the capacity of any foreign government,

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I would like to state now and definitely that I had no future about this object or any of the consequences

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of my going out into this desert area by myself.

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I know that certain people and certain groups have tried to executive here a situation in the business studies.

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Because of the fact that this is, you might say somewhat unknown, this is unprecedented and unknown.

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Did you ever reach the object?

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I walked out into the desert.

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I was out in the desert all night until the following morning.

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I arrived back at the first point of observation at about 7 o'clock the following morning.

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I observed this object two more times during the night at very close proximity.

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And I came to learn many things that I hadn't already thought before.

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And that is that these extra-trivial crafts or inter-planetary crafts do have the ability to operate in other dimensions.

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Preaching into dimensional discussions, why we get into a lot of complicated things that I don't think most people would understand.

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It may not only interject this much in my head.

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You say if I got you straight that you saw this object, it landed, you started to walk to it,

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and then you went home to hotel or whatever it is, and then you came back to the point of observation and you saw it again.

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No, I remain on the desert all night long.

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And you saw it twice again.

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I saw it twice again at close proximity.

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And whenever it was in motion, it was this luminous white light.

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And I believe from books that I have read, observations of other people that are taken at close quarters,

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that on certain occasions these ships become visible to the physical eye,

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but only under the right conditions and for certain reasons.

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I, um, it seems to me a shame that you didn't have a camera on Gobi's shoulder.

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I had a camera that went over my shoulder to shoulder, and I did not, one, think of taking a picture.

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Finally, the revelation that came to you after so many years of believing in something and not saying it,

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finally there it was, twice, three times, and you didn't take this camera off of the picture.

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I did not. It's too bad in it. It is. I thought about it many times afterwards,

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and I had told friends of all the stupid things that here I was close to, that I thought,

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and the camera was on my shoulder and I didn't take a picture.

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The reason was because there were a great many other things in my mind.

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I have mentioned in letters to certain individuals.

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This was a nice, great experience for me. There are a lot of things happening to that on that desert,

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that I will tell various people when I know that they have arrived at a point where they will understand some of these things

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and not treat it as science fiction.

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I think it is useless to talk to a group of people unless they listen in an open-minded attitude.

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I already know something about this because this gets off into a realm of philosophy and many things.

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And he previously explained why people tend to say, well, we are getting into science fiction.

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Let me get that. If you serve this question.

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Francis, did you see any light on the ship?

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I found no sign of light in the third dimension that we operate in.

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However, I had reason to believe from certain observations that I made that there were a great deal of activity going on on the desert

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in, you might say, interdimensional or other dimensions.

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And I had certain things were shown to me at her sound and I saw things with my eyes which confirmed these ideas.

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Did you report to findings from any government agency?

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Yes, I have. I have reported this signing to friends here in the Washington area

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and any military group or intelligence group that wants to know any further information about it,

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I will give all the information I have on this signing and as a desert experience that I have.

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Now, may J.O.S. and Tommy Offiton, you know, as well as I do, that airplanes have cameras on them now.

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Most of the airplanes have cameras on them.

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I'm quite sure in your brochures have the names of pilots and fly boys who have seen these flying saucers, right?

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Yes, I have.

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Why do you think it is that they are astronomers who are searching the sky 24 hours a day, funny phenomena that might occur with cameras?

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Why do you think it is that they haven't got pictures of these things?

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Well, my personal opinion is that they have the pictures.

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Why don't they expose them?

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Well, that's the question I couldn't answer. It's not in my capacity to answer that question.

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What is your idea? Do you have any opinion on this subject?

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Yes, I have very definite ideas and opinions on this subject.

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I think that the main reason for this is that the question, the whole question is so big, it is such a fantastic proportion.

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And I could have so great an effect on our general context of the universe and what life is all about and our relationship to the planet and life in the universe.

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That's various people so far decided that the American public was not ready to hear this whole truth.

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All right, let us presume for a moment that I go along with it. I'm not sure that I do, but let us presume for a moment that I do that the American public is not ready to such a truth.

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Even though the American public is known through his newspapers and radio and television about such major happenings as the disarmament talk in London with Statham and the Russian people in the out of eyes,

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even though it's told about almost everything that happened, the jail says this particular case, it is such an Asian proportion that the government and society of American people are ready to hear.

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Let us presume for a moment that I agree with it. Would you say in jail that these sightings have been made by other countries?

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Definitely. I have received mail and I read and seen publications where these sightings are reported in great many countries all over the world.

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All right. Do you think the same thing that holds true of American government holds true of all other governments?

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That they say they have people on both the North and the West, or would you say that all the governments got together through some agency and said let's keep it away?

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Well, some governments have made these sightings and the media reports not necessarily official, but they have, there seems to be a no blockage of information falling to the public.

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Mexico would touch a country and Australia has been treating it with a very open attitude and New Zealand and perhaps some other countries.

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Well, as I said before, I don't believe that we have such a thing as censorship in our country and I don't think that the government, or even the President of the United States, could say to the newspaper publishers and the Hamlin Association,

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please don't pick anything up from the Australian and Mexican papers imprinted to our country. I don't think that our newspaper publishers would go for it, number one, and I don't think President Eisenhower would have counted number two.

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So I don't understand why the agency or the U.P. on any newspaper has a correspondent in Mexico or Australia, and I guess most of our Mexican newspapers have one there.

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Why they haven't printed this? I'm just trying to figure out why. See, I'm not just a media worker, you say you saw it, you saw it. You're here on the microphone, you might guess and I agree, you saw it.

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You saw it. You saw it, they saw it. In Mexico, you tell me they saw it. In a big show, Washington, you tell me they saw it in Australia. I'm just wondering why these things are not printed.

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I don't think anybody's going to censor the American press. They better not try. No, I think a lot of factors involved in this, I don't think that the American press can be censored either,

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but there are certain times and places and waiting means by which the American press could be convinced that they should cooperate in certain ways and not list this information out at the present time or not too fast.

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We have an indication here of something that happened just a minute ago. We have a man out here in the audience this evening, at a fighting just right before last.

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This was reported to a great many newspapers and police stations all over the area and we have a situation right here in Washington where this report occurred only in one paper and in a very small and insignificant manner.

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The whole story was not presented right here in Washington. It occurred just night before last. You didn't know what I personally reported to a newspaper that submitted all the information that I had.

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Here's the names of the parties involved, everything, and nothing was reported.

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Why do you think it is that newspapers didn't report it, Major? Well, I couldn't answer that question. I could venture a guess. I wonder if you'd agree with me.

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Several years ago, the newspapers were reporting every sighting and then I came to a point where they even reported a sighting by a man or several green men with horns jumped out of the gym.

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So I guess newspapers got together and said unless it comes from something official, unless it comes from a recognized astronomer of some scientific mind, we just aren't going to report them.

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You know, something I don't blame them. Would you think that might be the reason?

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I think it might be. I think also that there are some of our newster people and others are aware of this situation in 1939 when we had a Mars scare and invasion from Mars and all this mess.

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And well, there's been flames for this so many times. Everybody says we can't do it because so well didn't look what happened.

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Well, you're an open microphone now and you might have government officials listening to you. We're going to ask the gentleman of whom you speak to come up on the air and tell us about his sighting.

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If I like to have him do that.

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All right. You hold on though for five minutes of eight years with Paul Melton. We'll be right back.